SDWFD: Episode 2!

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[Intro by Dr*T]

R: Today we’re going to be reading some more from Jim Humble’s book, The Miracle Mineral Solution for the 21st Century.

M: Also, because we didn’t last time, we’d like to give more of an introduction to MMS and Jim Humble [JH for short!] himself, in case anyone hasn’t been keeping up with the exciting news.

R: I was one of the people to discover MMS; I found it on a Crohn’s Disease support forum and I recorded a video about it. I also adapted the video into a blogpost. I discovered it being introduced as possibly a treatment for Crohn’s disease, I noticed people who were saying it had done wonders for them. Then I did more research into it and found it was being claimed that it could cure absolutely everything. The miraclemineral.org site claims it can cure:

AIDS, hepatitis A, B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer

But in a recent interview with Righteous Indignation, Humble said it could cure everything but broken bones. Powerful stuff.

M: Asthma, burns, what else?

R: Oh yeah, because as we now know the pain from burns is caused by acids and toxins.

So, I suppose the real aim of this podcast is to help you make up your own mind as to whether JH is a quack or something else

M: Crazy, deluded or just somewhere on that scale? I think when I started researching about JH – was it before you got banned from the forum or shortly afterwards? Near the beginning of everything – I found a video of him, maybe from 2008, which is an hour long but I sat through all of it because it started getting scary. I assumed that he was your typical, swindling, evil, quack/monster sort of thing…

R: Typical snake-oil salesman M: Yes one of those, but we’re not sure; we’re not a100%! So join us as we try to make up our minds. R: Especially after the RI interview M: Yes, it’s a must-listen!

[Rhys reads a spam email because it’s vaguely amusing – thanks Mabu!]

M: I have an email from our friend @writerjames, who says:

A very promising first show. During the reading of Humble’s extract I was thinking “NEEDS MOAR SARCASM” at times, but you got around to some sensible response.

Sorry about that, James, we will do our very best to fulfil this request.

The pacing was impressive, you could sort of tell that you were both pretty comfortable with chattering away to each other in this format.

Yes we are!

My only suggestion would be that, if reading out any extracts in future that get much longer than today’s, you break it up every so often with some mockery and commentary as you work through it, rather than ploughing through the pseudoscientific crap in one unpalatable block and leaving all the editorialising to the end.

That is exactly what we were thinking and therefore we’ll do that in this episode!

R: I think James might be a psychic!

M: Yes, I think he might be – maybe he can do a guest report for us and we can test that.

That’s just a thought for further shows, and one that you may well have been planning on anyway.

More evidence!

Certainly wasn’t a problem with the inaugural episode. I look forward to seeing what future adventures your capes take you on!

All the best,

writerJames

P.S. Yes, I’m totally fishing for my first ever mention on a podcast. That’s okay so long as it’s couched in obsequious flattery, right?

Yes! James is fantastic and you should totally read his blog, Cubik’s Rube. [Sorry about all the American-style ‘totally’!]

R: OK, today we’re reading:

About this Book

{I hope you do not think this book is just another account of a very interesting supplement that can help some people after they take it for several months. It is not. This book presents the Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS), which works in just a few hours. In the world today, the leading killer of mankind is malaria, a disease that is usually overcome by this solution in only 4 hours.}

I think that’s a very big claim to make, don’t you?

M: It is a huge claim and it’s one he makes in the video I was talking about – it says how he came across MMS, that he was in Africa, some people were feeling very sick and so:

I asked them if they would like to try to my water purification drops that I had brought along with me. And in four hours they were up, laughing about how bad they were feeling just a little while before.

{This has been proven through clinical trials in Malawi, a country in eastern Africa. In these trials, MMS has never failed to kill the malaria parasite in an infected human. More than 75,000 malaria victims have taken the Miracle Mineral Solution and are now back to work and living
productive lives.}

M: There’s that 75,000 again R: He does love his round numbers doesn’t he.

Also these clinical trials, where are theys? They’re not published in any peer-reviewed medical journal that I know of.

M: It’s the usual double-standard; ‘look we have studies to show that our stuff works because there are studies!’ well actually the studies don’t show that, they say that it’s crap ‘but your science isn’t evidence!’

R: Except that here it isn’t us saying ‘your evidence is rubbish’, it’s that there is no evidence! Well apart from

M: {After taking the Miracle Mineral Solution, AIDS patients are often disease free in several weeks, and other diseases and conditions simply disappear. If patients in hospitals around the world were treated with this Miracle Mineral Solution, over 50% of them would be back home within a week.}

So, there’s the old cures HIV/AIDS claim again. Apparently if we rolled it out in the world, more than 50% of them would be back home within a week; what about the other 50%? Have they died? Probably.

R: A 100% cure rate for those who don’t die! This paragraph sums up exactly what MMS is:

{For more than 100 years, clinics and hospitals have used the active ingredients in this solution to sterilize hospital floors, tables, equipment, and other items. Now, this same powerful germ killer can be harnessed by the immune system to safely kill pathogens in the human body.}

I don’t quite know what to say about that! M: It’s difficult to find the words. R: Well the fact he thinks that it can kill bugs outside the body means it can kill bugs inside the body… M: Mm, and it can also kill you or at least do you some serious damage!

There’s been some confusion over the ‘bleachgate’ (I’m loathe to call it that as I hate this addition of -gate to the end of words to describe an incident but it’s a catchy, quick Twitter tag #bleachgate) because while activated MMS is a bleach, it’s not your average household bleach , it’s not the same thing, but it is a bleach.

R: It’s a type of bleach used for water purification, stripping textiles, other nasty things M: Things you don’t want to be doing inside yourself basically! R: While it’s not household bleach it’s still not very pleasant at all.

{Amazing as it might seem, when used correctly, the immune system can use this killer to attack only those germs, bacteria, and viruses that are harmful to the body. It does not affect the friendly bacteria in the body or any healthy cells.}

M: Obviously that’s absolute rubbish. If you spread a sterilising agent on something, it’s going to kill whatever’s there, it doesn’t care whether it’s got smiley faces or not.

R: Do you remember that homeopathy study where they used alcohol as the control and the alcohol killed as much as the homeopathic things did? It killed about 80% of the cells; so by Jim’s definition, alcohol should be perfect to use for killing cancer cells! M: Yeah, kind of the opposite! [Here I’m referring to the fact that drinking alcohol can lead to liver cancer; it won’t act like a chemotherapy drug!]

{In this book, I have, to the best of my ability, stuck to the facts of exactly what has happened regarding the Miracle Mineral Solution. This book is the story of the discovery and development of the most amazing enhancement for the immune system yet discovered. Thus, it is the greatest solution to the diseases and ills now known to mankind; it is not a drug.]

M: Well there’s that classical thing that alt med people tend to do, which is try to distance themselves from the idea of big pharma drugs; they don’t understand what a drug is, a drug is anything you put inside your body (of exogenous origin) R: Anything that has some sort of effect in the body isn’t it M: Yes, a physiological effect, not manufactured within the body. So  of course it’s a drug. R: He seems to like the term supplement M: It’s a bit more benign-sounding isn’t it R: Yes, because when you say supplement it sounds like the body is meant to have it but is missing it M: Yes it’s clever wordplay to get people on your side.

{I believe if you follow my efforts to develop the data presented in this book and to make it available to the public, the story will help make it real to you and convince you to give it a try.}

R: It hasn’t! M: Not yet. We’ll see, maybe by the end of the book , we’ll all be taking MMS! R: Maybe we’ll find out that Jim’s book was actually published in the Lancet or something!

{To that purpose, I have provided complete details on how to make the solution in your kitchen, and to buy most of the ingredients off the shelf. It is entirely possible that one day you will use this solution to save someone’s life, perhaps your own}

R: Very humble, Jim, very humble.

{Because the Miracle Mineral Solution functions as a supercharger to the immune system, it is not meant for treatment of any particular disease, rather it is meant to improve the immune system to the point of overcoming many diseases, frequently in less than 24 hours.}

M: One wonders how a bleach would possibly do that.

R: It also contradicts his claim of ‘if patients were treated with MMS, over 50% would be home within a week’ – why is he saying that there and then..

M: Well obviosly if you’re in hospital, you want to stay there for at least a week! R: Well, yes, hospital’s quite a nice place, I gather M: The food’s good.

{My purpose for writing this book is that this information is far too important to allow any one person, group, or even several groups to have control of it. It is information that the world should have. After 5 years of seeing practically nothing done by a group that could have done a great deal, I finally realized that the information simply had to be distributed to as many people as possible or someone would always be out of the loop of receiving this life-saving data.}

M: This is his aim – to tell everyone about this fantastic discovery, to save all the lives!

R: Possibly a bit of a messiah complex?

M: {It regularly occurs that there is a great deal of important medical information withheld from the public that could save lives. It is my intention to prevent this from happening with this information.}

M: I’m not sure where these people get the idea that important medical information isn’t given to them. I mean, it’s all there. Sure, sometimes you have to pay to get a journal article, but then there’s a free review somewhere, or, ask your doctor..

R: If you really want to get hold of a medical paper, there are ways of getting it so that you can make an informed choice about your own health instead of relying on hear-say.

More about Jim

It’s quite odd how he refers to conspiracy theories.

M: Yes I think that’s what surprised me about the video, again – I was expecting the guy to talk about his crazy bleach solution but he brings up all kinds of conspiracy theories. There’s a fantastic one at the beginning where JH decides to tell us about all the other stuff he’s done in his life, he says:

I did things like set up A-bomb tests.

I’m not sure why that’s something to be proud of.

I worked on Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. I was able to wire the first computer-controlled machine in the United States at Hughes Aircraft Company… they called me in and had me repair the Lunar Vehicle.

Really?! A gold-prospector from the deep south, OK then. R: Bit odd. Why choose him? M: It’s not as if he’s qualified!

And so, did they go to the Moon or didn’t they?

So he’s not even buying into the moon landing! Fantastic. R: Didn’t he even reference the moon base conspiracy theory? M: he has:

I don’t know whether they took it to the Moon or they took it out to the mountains in the desert… He was going through the files one time and he come upon this photograph, 8 x 10 photograph, that showed a space station on the back side of the Moon.

You must, you absolutely must, visit this site about the Secret Nazi Moonbase. It’s absolutely hilarious – beyond parody.

What were the other things that JH claims to have achieved in his life?

R: At miraclemineral.org, Jim also claims to have:

worked on secret radio control electronics, set up experiments in electrical generation by magneto hydro dynamics… Jim’s immediate goal is to return to Africa to eliminate all of the malaria in a single African nation in order to prove to the world that it is possible.

M: An admirable goal, but perhaps slightly unrealistic. R: Slightly? Given that he hasn’t even produced any evidence that MMS works, it’s pretty unlikely. He also claims to have intented, and I think is by far his biggest and best invention:

the first automatic garage door opener.

M: Wow! R: I am in awe of this man M: I like his hat. R: Not only does he plan to cure Africa of malaria, he’s also invented a garage door opener. M: Brilliant. R: Brilliant man.

M: What else has Jim been up to in his amazing life? R: I don’t know, it is hard to find information about Jim, othe rthan stuff fairly recently  M: considering he’ must be late 60s if not into his 70s by now.

Suspect Shopping

R: I don’t quite get why he has these photos on his website that appear to be photoshopped. M: Yes they’re obviously shopped and there are a few around R: The website MMS Debunked has a few…

M: Almost as if they’re hyper-sharpened and images of different resolutions… badly shopped but not really sure to what end.

R: This one is very obviously photoshopped M: Yes he looks like a card-board cutout there! R: Again the white glow and it’s so different the resolution, colouring, everything.

M: Highly suspect.

Seminars in the DR

Jim does seem to be quite difficult to get hold of; possibly because at the moment he seems to be living in the Dominican Republic.

R: When I geolocated the IP address from the comment he left on my blog, it did go back to the DR! M: So he may be telling the truth there! But it seems he has been fined for distributing MMS illegally

R: Didn’t they claim it was a herbal remedy in Africa to cure AIDS? M: Yes so he is wanted in lots of places including the US. Canada has already banned MMS obviously so he’d not be welcome there either.

In the DR he has been running some training courses so you can come and learn about MMS! In a newsletter from this year, Jim gives some details of the course:

There will be a week of theory where I cover the details on what MMS is, how it works, the basic chemistry for anyone coming off the street, how it is made, labeled and bottled,  how to treat Cancer, Hep C, HIV, colds, H1N1 flu, and dozens of other diseases. I try to tell you everything I know.

Surely that wouldn’t take long!

When people leave here they really know how to use MMS for all things, skin diseases of all kinds, colon problems, how to regenerate the liver, how to treat brain cancers, how to treat babies and pregnant women, and how to treat animals from mice to elephants.

You can treat your pet elephant! R: Pet elephant?? M: Yeah why not. Stampy.

For 5: Bag, see below…

You will be personally taking MMS while here, spraying your skin with powerful solutions of MMS (but won’t hurt you), spraying others’ skin and hair. You will learn to use sprays, baths, IV solutions, MMS gas, soak the feet, and most importantly, the new protocols that in the country of Malawi have cured more than 800 people of HIV plus 40 cancer cases, 50 of feet and leg numbness, 3 heart disease cases, 13 diabetes cases, and many other diseases and problems.

It just does everything, it’s amazing. R: Yes and he’s now discovering other ways to use MMS!

wtf?

And there’s also the hilarious picture of him stuck in a black sack. M: Yes that is wonderful, from Phaelosopher’s blog; the pictures of JH on these training courses are generally quite amusing – he’s usually standing in front of one of those flip-charts that he’s been scribbling on barely legibly, trying to draw atoms and things…

R: Wait! Chlorine dioxide is an ion remember? That’s what Jim Claims…

M: Now you’re just being picky. You and your science! So yes there’s the picture of him sitting in a giant bin sack and I really don’t understand what he’s doing. Maybe it’s one of these MMS gas protocols or something.

So, you can attend the first week of these courses for the little sum of $750 USD! And if you want to stay for the second week it’s $250. But remember, he’s not making any money from MMS! R: No, of course not, that money all goes into running more courses.

And, we have some more information on what he actually does teach in the training course:

Jim is teaching the latest protocols and  here are some of the other topics Jim teaches:

The Fundamentals of MMS: the discovery and evolution of the usage of the world’s most important broad spectrum non-toxic anti-microbial agent including these topics:

• Chemistry of 28% Chlorine Dioxide solution
• Sourcing of MMS chemicals
• Home manufacture
• Basic first aid and diagnosis
• How to make money selling MMS

but remember, Jim isn’t making money from this!

• Running an MMS help desk—or not
• Working in remote areas: strategies for communication and protection
• Training in remote areas
• Legal and FDA considerations
• Problems with foreign health departments and permissions

So that’s going to be almost every country in the world now! M: Jim’ll teach you how to escape the man.

• How MMS attacks different pathogens in the body
• The evolution of MMS protocols
• Successful stories with different diseases

So you can sit around the campfire and listen to Jim telling stories about how he cured cancer AIDS, Hep.. M: Yay, anecdotes!

• Practical applications of MMS for water purification

Actually teaching something possibly of worth there!

• Health ministers training

Yes you can become a minister in his church. M: We’ll cover the church stuff later…

• MMS2
• New protocols
• Question and answers

I doubt anyone will be asking something like ‘do you have evidence this works?’ M: He’ll say “yes! Here are some phone numbers of people I’ve cured. They have phones. Call them! I’ll pay the phone bill@. R: Yeah, I’ve not bothered to call back on them yet but you can, you can do my work for me! M: I’m so busy helping people cure their elephants of asthma. R: Poor pet Stampy.

On the genesis II website he later refers to it as a ‘life changing, world changing seminar’! M: Sold it to me! R: I want to go. In the second week you can either help people in the Dominican Republic, or you can get to go over to Haiti! Let’s go and help all the people in Haiti who are still recovering from the earthquake. Because that’s not got any moral or ethical implications has it? M: He’s saving the world!

R: OK, I think that sums up Jim’s course pretty well.

M: We hope you have a better idea of why it is we’re talking about MMS and Jim Humble; we hope you will tune in with us every week to help us decide what kind of guy Jim is.

R: e-mail feedback to superwooduo at gmail dot com or you can follow us on twitter @Superwooduo

M: For more information on MMS you can follow #bleachgate and do drop in to my blog [here you are!]

[Rhys pimps his blog again and reckons I had twice already *lovers’ tiff*]

M: We need to pimp the wonderful new podcast from our friends Martin Robbins and Michael Marshall called Strange Quarks, which you should definitely listen to every week.

R: It was sort of the inspiration for this podcast wasn’t it? M: Yes, but they’re professional R: And we’re just ramblers. We aimed to infiltrate our show but made our own instead! M: We’re going to take it over but don’t tell them…

Justin Satov 05 November 22:14 I quite liked it being longer. It was the soundtrack to my morning as I readied myself for work.