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Helpful Poisons

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Cancer Research UK run the Race For Life evens, in which thousands of people from all walks of life, young and old, go out and run/walk to collect sponsorship money that’s donated to CRUK.

My boss – known in the building as one of the many PIs (Principal Investigators) who head the lab groups in the Institute we work in – went along with her 6 year-old daughter to go up on stage and thank people for participating.

I spoke to her about it a while ago and she told me how moved she was to see so many people come out to do their best on a Sunday morning, raising what money they can so enthusiastically. That she was very emotional surveying the sea of people in pink who had turned up to support each other and by raising that money, the scientists whose work aims to improve the treatments we have for cancer. That includes our lab. Plus the patients and their families who have to go through all of it.

Her daughter asked “why are all these people getting cancer?” – because they’re ill, she replied. I know I wouldn’t have understood such a concept at that age either so her determination is admirable.

What treatments we currently have are by no means ideal, although curing people of cancer does happen, contrary to popular belief. Sadly, googling that kind of thing will lead to lots of alt-med scam sites trying to tell people if they just eat raw peppers or rub hemp oil on themselves, their tumours will disappear. This is incredibly damaging for hopefully obvious reasons.

Tough Love

Some liver cells (under the microscope obviously), courtesy wikipedia

Many chemotherapeutic drugs do cause horrific side-effects that make people feel very ill (of course, they are already seriously ill, but often we don’t feel it just from the disease itself). That’s because chemo, generally, is a form of poison. Alt-med proponents will often try to use that fact to make medicine sound bad to people they want to convince to use alternative products instead – sadly, people fall for it sometimes and this of course can have the worst consequence.

It is designed to kill living cells – the cancer cells. Anything that’s capable of doing that is likely to be unpleasant – remember that awful hangover? Your liver cells weren’t happy about that night, certainly. Fortunately most of us drink sensible amounts and don’t end up causing liver cancer when we’re enjoying the effects of alcohol.

Therein lies the important element – sensible amounts. The thing about drugs is that dose is everything – we’re finding this more and more in our research and perhaps I’ll write something about that at a later date.

Chemo drugs are carefully researched so that doctors know how much to give – how much should kill off the cancer most efficiently, while doing as little damage to the rest of the person as possible. The reason it often makes people feel ill is that there will be some damage – off-target effects, as they’re known – to normal tissues.

Much cancer research currently focuses on developing different drugs that will be entirely tumour-specific, eliminating or at least drastically reducing side-effects.

The thing about cancer cells is that they grow too quickly, they’ve gotten around the normal checks and barriers cells have that tell them to stop growing. Most cells don’t grow and divide in adults, they’re stable – with obvious exceptions like the lining of the gut, which is constantly replacing itself, the womb lining during the menstrual cycle, hair follicles…

And this is where the chemo side-effects come in. We target cancer cells’ ability to grow and divide a lot with these drugs, which unfortunately also go for some normal, non-cancerous dividing cells. Hence the hair loss effect that’s commonly seen (not with all drugs) and other painful/unpleasant things.

Now we have other treatments, for example radiotherapy targeted very specifically at the tumour with highly-specialised machines designed to minimise off-target exposure. Since the radiation used is also what can cause cancer (by damaging normal DNA – this is why you need to wear sun cream!), you don’t want to hit normal tissues with it any more than you absolutely have to. This is another alt-med favourite, ‘Cancer treatment gives you cancer! They want you to come back for more!!’ – it’s conspiracy theory at its best. There’s truth in it, but it’s been distorted away from reality.

Cause, simplified

If you can damage cancer cell DNA to the point where controls do kick in to destroy the cells, that’s a good way to kill tumours. But also, as I said, DNA damage is what causes cancer in the first place – it can come from various sources; hereditary cancers are mainly or entirely (example) due to mutations, that are passed down from previous generations, in particular genes that usually control cell growth.

Sporadic cases of cancer occur when there’s too much exposure to environmental carcinogens – be it sunlight (UV), cigarette smoke, alcohol or a combination of many subtle things – in that case the normal DNA is damaged in places that are important for maintaining cells’ in-built anti-cancer controls.

These two distinctions and the explanations are extremely simplified but hopefully making sense (?).

That’s why it’s still a numbers game – you’re not 100% certain to develop cancer even if you do things that do involve carcinogens and they may well have damaged your DNA, the point is that particular damage may not have occurred in places that affect the cells’ anti-cancer controls. Only if it occurs in genes that regulate cell growth in some way will it then possibly lead to cancer. Even then a number of other changes will need to occur in that population of cells that are now growing more for cancer to take hold.

Thing is, once you have some damaged cells that are growing more frequently, there are more chances for further DNA damage to happen as cells replicate. As the population gets bigger, the likelihood of the changes occurring in ‘bad’ places (i.e. further reducing the barriers and promoting growth) only increases.

So it’s a question of risk. It’s a gamble, if you want to smoke, for example. For me it’s absolutely not worth it – why spend money on something that does nothing but make you a drug addict (sorry, but that’s the case, for those who don’t insist it’s just a social thing and I can quit whenever I want) and increases the chance of your lung cells becoming irreparably damaged to the point where you may well lose a lung, or indeed your life? ‘Cool’ is very subjective, and those things don’t fall within my list.

At least the liver has alcohol dehydrogenase – but it’s still a question of dose, and ADH doesn’t apply in oesophageal, pancreatic or other cancer types.

Everything in moderation

Sure, we can’t obsess about everything every minute of the day – but there are sensible and easy things to be done to protect yourself and your family – for me, that’s completely worth it. Once you’ve watched a loved one die of cancer, whatever form, whether they had a hand in its occurrence or not – well, I don’t need to say more.

The people who get up and raise money for institutes like ours all over the country, and the world, do contribute to the medical establishment’s ability to treat cancer. They deserve all our thanks.

Cancer is immensely complicated, we don’t fully understand it yet, but the more everyone does know, the better we can cope with it.

Maybe one day we’ll look back in wonder that so many lost their lives to such a thing; as we look now at little cuts and grazes when bacteria killed so readily, before we understood their existence and found (relatively) simple ways of dealing with them.

This seems a nice future to hope for.

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Author: noodlemaz

I prefer to think of myself as a realist rather than a pessimist, but perhaps that's just optimistic. Honest, atheist, scientist, feminist.

12 thoughts on “Helpful Poisons

  1. Thanks for writing this 🙂

  2. Good article.

    My baby sister was diagnosed with breast cancer 1 year ago this month, and she’s had major surgery, 3 months of chemo, then radiotherapy, and finally a course of endocrine therapy. She’s just gone back to work with the new school intake (she’s a teacher in north London) and will have various check-ups in the coming months.

    Due to the amazing work of scientists like you, current and future generations of people will have a better chance of beating more types cancer.

    Many thanks!

    PS Do you have a ‘Just-giving’ page you could link to?

    • Sorry to hear that, Richard, but sounds like the treatment has gone well, so fingers crossed.

      Just to clarify (for everyone), I didn’t mean this as a kind of fishing-for-compliments thing; generally day-to-day work feels utterly useless and irrelevant to everything, I don’t go around with a big CANCER RESEARCHER badge feeling all proud and crap like that 😉

      I got into it because it interested me. I’ve been affected by the disease since I started, just about everyone has.

      But it’s still not something everyone understands – for many it’s just a scary word, and hopefully demystifying it a bit (even if there is still plenty of mystery to it in the details) can help somehow.

      Here’s CRUK’s donate page: http://supportus.cancerresearchuk.org/donate/?gclid=CNHY36ydvasCFYUJtAodZEyXvQ

      My favourite way to support charities (many of them!) is buying stuff in charity shops! Can’t get enough of that.

  3. Hi Noodlemaz.
    I hope you will find a cure for cancer, and think about, what would be your situation, if next week you would discover a simple, effective cure.
    Last month the university of Alberta discovered a cure for cancer, see the article on SOTT, net.
    Just shortly after that it was on CNN, someone else discovered a cure.
    In Italy a doctor is curing thousands of patients, by injecting baking soda into the cancer.
    But a doctor in Florida figured out , that the cancer cells like sugar, so his patients mix a tea spoon of baking soda, in a cup of warm water, and add a tea spoon of maple syrup, or molasses , and drink it 4-6 x a day, for 10 days, and cure the cancer, As the cancer cell go for the sugar, but get the baking soda at the same time, that kills it.
    Up in Canada, a Marijuana grower makes oil from the buds of marijuana, and he is curing thousands of people
    of cancer with medical marijuana oil, and he is not even a doctor. He gives it free. Jim Humble started almost 300 clinics, or churches around the World, and with MMS they cure almost every
    medical conditions. And there maybe many more cancer cures, people can choose for themselves, for some people cancer is not a big deal anymore.
    I know many people are skeptical also, and everybody knows that skeptical is a good thing. But the public also knows that thousands of times the skeptics were wrong, and 99% of skeptics are second rate, and third rate in everything, and incompetent in everything, junk scientist, and looking for a small glory in their own little skeptic community.
    I also agree with you, that there are a lot of scams, and a lot of snake oil salesman, but you will find that in everything.
    What would be your situation, if next week you would discover a
    very simple, inexpensive cure for
    cancer, what would you do?
    Would all your friends approve, or would they call you delusional?

  4. Hi Noodlemaz.
    I could be wrong about the baking soda dosage, the doctor in Florida uses. It could be half of a tea spoon
    4-6 times a day? It was some time ago now, that I saw it on the internet, and I dont make an exact note of it, but all these things on the internet anyhow you could search for it if you want it exactly.

    • Obviously you are trying to inject some humour into a very serious issue (which is ok). Your post made me smile, what made me smile even more is that anyone could read your remarks and think they were serious, I mean… no one is that much of an idiot 🙂 … right?

  5. Gilgamesh said:

    I hope you will find a cure for cancer, and think about, what would be your situation, if next week you would discover a simple, effective cure.

    Could you pass on the details of this organisation to those doctors just in case they weren’t aware of them? I am sure they’ll be very interested.

  6. I think this post makes some very important points.

    Cancer treatment can be horrendous so any unproven ‘natural’, ‘herbal’ or folk remedy type alternatives can be very appealing. When people deny themselves essential treatment in favour of unproven alternatives, they predictably die. This is tragic and criminal.

    For more information on this, cancer quackery has been written about in detail on the Quackwatch site (here http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/harmquack.html) and many examples are given on the What’s the Harm? site (here http://whatstheharm.net/alternativemedicine.html).

    I also have a personal anecdote of sorts… Without wishing to go into too much detail, about four years ago a close elderly relative of mine underwent major surgery (for the second time), to remove a tumour. The operation was successful and she is still healthy and cancer free. Although this operation saved her life, she has said that she doesn’t feel she could go through all that again. This is exactly the kind of thing cancer quacks prey on. Why undergo such an ordeal when you can cure cancer with [proposed remedy]? Had she decided not to go through with the operation in favour of an ineffective (yet initially kinder) alternative, she would have died.

    This is one reason I become so angry about misinformation being spread about cancer (and health in general).

    Thanks for a great post.

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